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Post by Mark on Jun 5, 2008 13:59:50 GMT -8
what Kennedy? ? i thought he was a die hard Turlock Guy!!!!!! i was waiting for him to turn 17 or 18 to grow into his body to throw 84-87 as a Senior!!!!!! Byrd what are you doing!!!! Interdistric Permit!! i have seen Olsen. gave my opinion about him already. good speed, i like him as an outfielder!! i like him. great athlete. should be an all league type player....havent seen many of the other kids enough to form an opinion....... what kind of gun Chris? Jugs or Stalker? theres a big difference between the two. JUGS are often called "Daddy Guns" while stalkers are the ones the Scouts use or any1 who wants an accurate reading! also remember when i use numbers like he throws 85 i really mean he throws 85 on EVERY FASTBALL. did Herrera throw 70 on a couple of bullpen pitches or consistantly in a game? the Wheeland kid i talk about at THS was throwing 80-86 throughout his Freshmen Year.....but mostly sat at 81-83 MPH. sat at around 84-86 this year as a sophmore......
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Post by Chris on Jun 5, 2008 14:19:10 GMT -8
Herrera threw 6 no-hit innings against Folsom's B Team last weekend. He threw 68-70 consistently and lost about 2 MPH by the 6th. He's a good young talent who would benefit greatly from a good pitching coach. He moves the ball around well and is amazingly consistent for a kid with poor mechanics.
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Post by Greenie on Jun 5, 2008 15:52:06 GMT -8
Turlock does have a kid thats 2 years away that already throws in the low 80's.
Is Lara really back? Thats great news.
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Post by Chris on Jun 5, 2008 15:56:48 GMT -8
Yeah, they're moving back and he told Jens he's going to Pit. Who's thowing in the low 80s?
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Post by Mark on Jun 5, 2008 22:03:27 GMT -8
the only guy at Turlock that i know of that thows 80+ is Wheeland......i havent seen any1 else consistantly throw 80 or even near it at Turlock High.........but i will try and check out some Legion games to see who is where?
there are no pre-high school players that throw over 80 MPH in Turlock.....if there were they would be playing for TEAM USA!!!
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Post by Greenie on Jun 5, 2008 22:17:00 GMT -8
My bad.. I was told Nick V. was reaching 80 but that might be at 54 feet.
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Post by Mark on Jun 5, 2008 22:23:10 GMT -8
just a quick run down on pitching velocities. at least from my team..... players on my team that have thrown 90+ in Real Games Nathan Gonzalez----St. Mary's College Back to Back 1st team All CCC Pitcher Kyle Barrett-----------MJC (Grades are an issue ) 07 & 08 MMC MVP....05 & 06 1st Team All MMC Pitcher Bradin Hagens-------Merced College (might get drafted tomorrow) Back to Back 2nd Team ALL CCC Pitcher Trevor Cesar---------Duke Univ. 07 CCC MVP and 08 All CCC OF Andrew Stueve------CSU Stanislaus 04 & 05 ALL SL 1st team Pitcher, 06 & 07 ALL WAC MVP Gonzales has "at times" worked in the 90 MPH range but is usually 86-89 Cesar has touched 92 MPH but works in the 84-87 Range Barrett has touched 91 MPH but works in the 86-88 range Stueve has touched 90 MPH but works in the 82-85 range Hagens has touched 92MPH but works in the 86-89 range just food for thought guys..........of those 5 pitchers i listed, 4 were 4-year Varsity Starters.
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Post by Mark on Jun 5, 2008 22:29:18 GMT -8
My bad.. I was told Nick V. was reaching 80 but that might be at 54 feet. that sounds accurate
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Post by Chris on Jun 5, 2008 22:39:56 GMT -8
OK, now I am confused. A radar gun measures velocity of a given projectile, vehicle, baseball etc. If you're pointing a radar gun from the behind the backstop it will read the same speed (say 82 mph) regardless of whether the player is pitching from 54 or 60.6? How do you measure the difference in velocity from 54 to 60?
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Post by Chris on Jun 5, 2008 22:42:01 GMT -8
In other words, I believe the gun reads the top speed reached. An 82 mph fastball is an 82 mph fastball regardless of the distance. It just gets there more quickly at 54 ft. If you're talking equivilents thats something totally different.
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Post by Greenie on Jun 5, 2008 22:58:38 GMT -8
During the Little League World Series they would have a gun saying a kid threw 68 from 46 feet and that would equal 93 or so from 60 feet.
IMO... a kid throwing 70 from 46ft would be a major stud. From 54ft above average and from 60ft would suck. Thats why so many pitchers fade away as they move back.
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Post by Mark on Jun 6, 2008 0:03:55 GMT -8
In other words, I believe the gun reads the top speed reached. An 82 mph fastball is an 82 mph fastball regardless of the distance. It just gets there more quickly at 54 ft. If you're talking equivilents thats something totally different. nope, big difference chris........that extra 6.6 feet from 54 to 60.6 is huge........the farther you go in distance the more velocity the ball will lose. the ball has to be thrown with alote more strength to get it to the plate at the same velocity.....physics 101 (gravity and friction....ect, ect like wind, high moisure in the air......many things that the ball has to fight through to get from point A to point B. the further the distance the more velocity the ball will lose....... ex: a pitcher throws 75 MPH from 60.6 feet do you think they can throw a 75 MPH fastball from point A to Point B (300 ft) at the same speed? no, the ball will lose velocity and eventually hit the ground....its impossible to throw the ball 300 ft on a line without losing velocity if we were operating in a vacumm or in space where an object will travel at the same speed forever than i would agree. but we arent and every arm is unique. some will carry their speed and gain some at the true distance while other will lose it. example: Austin Keaton threw IMO (no guns used) 65-69 in LL but once he got to the 60.6 mound he dropped to around 65 tops in junior league.....right now i believe he is around 78 across the diamond and the ball doesnt have on line carry. Tom Mendonca was around 70 from LL and when moved up to 60.6 was 75-80 in Junior league and 83-88 in senior League. as a pitcher for THS he was around 84-90. Across the diamond Tom was around 87 but his throws had on line carry. which meant they didnt lose velocity as they approached 1st base from SS not all kids are the same on a big diamond.........many kids will throw 65 from 46 feet but the jump to 60.6 feet will separate the pitchers that have true arm speed/whip and strength from the ones that dont......
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Post by Rodney L. Voumard on Jun 6, 2008 4:36:20 GMT -8
Good Topic---Lot's of knowledge being shared. As the father of a pitcher I'm trying to learn all I can. Nick has touched 80-81 on Soderstrom's Gun ( not sure what brand ) he is blessed with a live arm and throws a HEAVY BALL ( not sure what that means ) at 54 he will sit at 77-78 He has thrown a pen at 60.6, the fastball looses 2-3 MPH , but the change up & cutter seem to have more time/distance to work. What I am more excited about is the direction that Soderstrom is working on, and that location-location-location. Nick is starting to have the confidence to throw the fastball to spots. It's hard for me to judge, I'll leave that to the coaches... my goal is just to see all these kids develop so they can play at the next level.
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Post by Chris on Jun 6, 2008 6:02:31 GMT -8
Thanks Mark. I understand the physics and the drop off in speed at the farther distance. My question was isn't 82 mph still 82 mph. How does the gun distiguish between distances? I don't think it does. 82 is 82 - It just drops off more at 60, eh?
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Post by deb on Jun 6, 2008 7:59:40 GMT -8
Chris, THS also has Backlund, Simmons, Evans, Hatcher, Pata, Fortado, Padilla, Juriviech (sp?) and I know theres more but can't think of who right now. It will be fun to watch next year!
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