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Post by Chris on Oct 5, 2007 20:00:03 GMT -8
1. N/NS voted to ban curve balls. Say goodbye to any hope in the AS tourney. This needs to wait until LL international bans them.
2. Grass infield at Soderquist. What a nightmare - Let's just piss our money away.
3. 8 foot fences. (This one is just silly!) Why would we do that?
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Post by Rodney L. Voumard on Oct 6, 2007 7:47:49 GMT -8
I'll be the first IMO to state that young arms should not be throwing any breaking pitch that stresses the arm so..........- Who will determine a CURVE BALL  ?? We ask enough from our umpires NOW they need to be watching the rotation on the ball. How about we teach our Managers about the dangers to the arm and have the BOD monitor teams Far better to understand the dangers. Pitch count was/is much easier to implement. And as we have seen not an exact science. Grass infield Lot's of MAINTAINCE ISSUES.... 8 foot fences- WHY ?? |
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Post by Mark on Oct 6, 2007 18:02:09 GMT -8
lol. thats going to get very political and adventurous to say the least
from what i have seen in the last 5or 6 years at the LL level there isnt an abundance of COACHING TALENT. what if thekid has a great change that darts down and awy from a righty? will it be considered a "breaing pitch".
does that eliminate the "cutter" or 2 seam fastball that has minor break and acts like a slider?
what if he has a heavy fastball that sinks???
what if a kid is throwing so slow it sinks?
its all a potential for disaster!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Byrd on Oct 6, 2007 20:26:51 GMT -8
All great points. The grass infield will be a mess. An 8 foot fence allows no chance to rob a homerun. Yes it might keep some people off the field. If you do anything creat a "green monster" in left and leave the rest of the fence alone. JMO
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Post by Chris on Oct 7, 2007 22:28:46 GMT -8
I hadn't thought about robbing homeruns but thats a good point. It won't keep anyone off the field if we raise the fields. We're not suppose to lock the field in the off-season.
The reason so many folks like to sit in the outfield is because it offers an unobstructed view of the game. I'd miss that.
TNLL is hoping to attract more post season games. Its kind of silly when if District 10 were to attract a section game why wouldn't they play at Riverpark or Madera which offer more in terms of fields and parking? Who's going to staff the extra games? Everyone except a very few run like crazy after the all star tourney begins. Lets not forget that TALL had a very nice field a few years ago (05) and it didn't attract extra games. The field look great. I suggest we leave them as they are.
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Post by Greenie on Oct 8, 2007 7:15:14 GMT -8
1. N/NS voted to ban curve balls. Say goodbye to any hope in the AS tourney. This needs to wait until LL international bans them. 2. Grass infield at Soderquist. What a nightmare - Let's just piss our money away. 3. 8 foot fences. (This one is just silly!) Why would we do that? 1.This will be a work in progress. My biggest concern is how is it going to affect inter league. The American side has already talked about pulling out. 2. This is still being researched and we will see what happens. The maintaince issue has been discussed and that will be a big consideration in the final outcome. 3. It was discussed but I don't see that in our future. |
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Post by Randy Edwards on Oct 8, 2007 10:53:41 GMT -8
From the A/AE.....I have a few questions to the N/NS board
1-Once the Blue has determined it was a "curve ball", what actions will be taken and to whom the kid or the coaching staff or both ?
2-Like Mark pointed out above....what are you going to call a CURVE BALL ?
3- How do you see this affecting interleague, if the A/AE are not willing to prewrite little league international rules?
4-How will it affect the city tourney ? if we are all not on the same page...do we go back in time with Julien or Soderquist park rules depending on where the championship game is ?
These are just a few questions...I'm sure that others will follow. exspecially the issues that might arise in interleague ?
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Post by scrapper on Oct 8, 2007 16:23:32 GMT -8
Good points by all. However, We need to take a look at kids and what has happened to a lot of them over the last few years with the curve ball.
We know that the rule is coming down from LL HQ that curveballs will be outlawed.
We are trying to prevent the kids from injuries. I know that there are all of you great coaches out there that teach it, but just in the last year how many kids have been hurt with elbow and shoulder problems.
These injuries are not only caused by curveballs, but also by overuse. Little League cannot dictate to parents that allow their kids to play year round. We as a league are trying to be proactive in preventing injuries.
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Post by Chris on Oct 8, 2007 20:17:11 GMT -8
Come on Scrapper!
I'm not a fan of young kids throwing curve balls. However, the articles I've read suggest that over-use is the primary reason for injury in young players. How many pitchers did we face over the last 2 years who even threw curve balls. I can count them on one hand. Michael had one of the better ones. Who taught him that - not coach Chris!
Nick has a nasty cutter. I bet 95% of the folks we have umpiring would identify that pitch as a curve ball. So how are you going to train the voluteer umpires to identify what is and isn't a curve ball? What is the penalty going to be?
Its a red herring to suggest that if myself and others feel the league should wait for LL to make a decision that we don't care about the kids. "We are trying in prevent injuries." Duh! Yeah, just the TNLL majority vote cares about kids. Pffttt! Perhaps its time to do a little more homework before deciding to ban the curve ball. Mark and Randy made good points. Sounds to me that the TNLL Board passed a worthless motion that was poorly thought out.
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Post by Rodney L. Voumard on Oct 9, 2007 4:30:24 GMT -8
"over-use is the primary reason for injury in young players. How many pitchers did we face over the last 2 years who even threw curve balls. I can count them on one hand."
Chris is RIGHT ON.....Let's re think our primary objective--ifs it's TO PREVENT INJURIES . I can come up with other ideas...
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Post by Randy Edwards on Oct 9, 2007 6:56:14 GMT -8
2008 pitching rule changes just FYI Oct. 4, 2007 Dear Little League Volunteers: This is a follow-up to the notice we sent earlier this week regarding the updated and enhanced pitching rules for baseball. The response, as we expected, was excellent. Most volunteers realize that protecting young pitching arms is the right thing to do, and that Little League always has safety as its primary concern. We are gratified to know that the vast majority of Little League volunteers feel the same way. A few questions did arise, and we would like to answer them below. Pitchers and Catchers: “Regarding the prohibition for a pitcher to play the position of catcher later in the day/game – does it make a difference if the pitcher is removed based on the pitch count, or just removed for ineffectiveness before the pitch count is reached? What if the pitcher is not removed and finishes a game – could he/she be a catcher in a game later that day? Why not also restrict a player from moving from catcher to pitcher?” Answer: The intent of the rule is based on the fact that experts in pitching injuries say that a player who warms up to pitch, and then pitches in a game, should not play the position of catcher for the remainder of that day. Any other position is acceptable. The same is not true for a player moving from catcher to pitcher. This portion of the regulations and rules has been clarified. Game of Rest: There is now a requirement for a game of rest under some circumstances – does that mean the player cannot play at all in the game in which he/she must rest? Answer: The rest requirement in this case only applies to pitching – same as it always has been in tournament play. The pitcher who needs a game of rest is only prohibited from pitching in that specific game. More Pitchers: “Won’t this mean our managers and coaches will have to develop more pitchers? Answer: Yes, managers and coaches will need to develop more pitchers. Again, the complete regular season pitching regulation for baseball may be found at: www.littleleague.org/media/RS_Pitching_Regulation_Changes_Baseball_2008.pdf The complete tournament pitching rule for baseball may be found at: www.littleleague.org/media/T_Pitching_Rule_Changes_Baseball_2008.pdf Thank you again for your service to the children and families of your community. Sincerely, Little League International |
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Post by scrapper on Oct 9, 2007 10:35:35 GMT -8
"Michael had one of the better ones. Who taught him that - not coach Chris!". I don't know who taught it to him. I can't even throw one and I wouldn't know how to teach one correctly unless I had a book.
I have been reading the info as well. But after all the reading and the wisdom that is put forth on this board (not being sarcastic), There is no clear cut way of stopping, what everybody says, is a bad thing, that kids 14 and under should not be throwing breaking balls. Everybody agrees with it, but no one want to do anything to stop it. I think there are a lot of coaches that care about an out and if a kid has slapped two 300 ft dingers on fastballs, I doubt the coach will calling fastballs. There are also a lot of coaches that have intergrity and do the right thing, but there are a lot of bad ones out there as well and you guys have seen a lot of them.
In 85 pitches how many curveballs, breaking pitches are thrown. 10 percent, 20 percent. In some cases , it is probably closer to thrity or forty percent. The questions is what is to many. There is no answer.
With that being said, I will side on the err of caution most of the time, and that is why I did what I did. I think there are more modifications of that rule that needs to be applied and massaged prior to the league opener.
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Post by Mark on Oct 9, 2007 10:35:47 GMT -8
also known as a SLIDER or a BREAKING PITCH which would now be considered banned. tough call. |
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Post by Mark on Oct 9, 2007 10:38:51 GMT -8
inproper conditioning is also a major problem with injuries
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Post by Mark on Oct 9, 2007 10:41:42 GMT -8
this might be a great time to put a plug in for a friend of mine that just opened a new Facility in OAKDALE. its called CenCal baseball. it is run by Mike McNeil (SF Giants Pro Scout). who also has worked as Pitching Coach Oakdale HS, Head VArsity Coach Ceres HS, and Pitching Coach CSU Stanislaus, all the while also working as a pro scout.
CenCal offers private lessons for pitching and hitting as well as various different level memberships. some of the deals are very cheap.
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?? We ask enough from our umpires NOW they need to be watching the rotation on the ball. How about we teach our Managers about the dangers to the arm and have the BOD monitor teams 
