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Post by Randy Edwards on Oct 9, 2007 12:40:44 GMT -8
"With that being said, I will side on the err of caution most of the time, and that is why I did what I did. I think there are more modifications of that rule that needs to be applied and massaged prior to the league opener."
Scrapper your statement is what the A/AE is asking for... Your board has banned something without letting anyone know what the penalty will be and who it will be inflicted on. Its like imposing a speed limit without the limit...I hope your rule gets allot of massaging before the 1st of the year when we start working on inter-league and the City Championship
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Post by Randy Edwards on Oct 9, 2007 12:52:52 GMT -8
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Post by tmurphy on Oct 9, 2007 16:03:21 GMT -8
Ok guys last year I heard of more sore arms than any year I have been around little league. It was mainly from being over used. Alot of your pitching coaches now are teaching different types of pitches that have movement that does not cause the arm stress like the curve ball does. I feel with all this so called safety rules people are trying to impose is just going to put little league farther and farther behind travel ball players. I have been a part of travel ball for about 5 years now and my son has not ever complained with a sore arm from throwing or pitching and yes he has a couple of pitches that break move or what ever you want to call it. I feel like these people should worry more about kids throwing 170 pitches in a week than worring if they throw a few breaking pitches a game. I seen kids last year throw 170 pitches in a week and you guys are worried about breaking pitches. What about making sure teams do not have 4 days off in between games so the same kid can not pitch both games of that week. I have to honestly say that there are more arm problems in little league than I have ever seen in travel ball. I think part of the reason why is the experience of the coaches involved in travel ball compared to little league. I do not mean that in a bad way. Pitching is all about mechanics and if you do not use proper mechanics then yes you are going to hurt the arm no matter what type of pitch you throw. We have been told for years to use proper lifting techniques to not hurt our backs well the same concept goes for pitching. If we use proper pitching techniques then we save the arm and not from over usage. I could go on and on but what is the use. The N/NS all star teams will be at a huge disadvantage this year because of this premature jumping of the gun. Why not wait till it comes from Williamsport and then everybody is on the same playing field as it stands right now you guys are not giving your kids a fighting chance in all stars against all the other leagues that are not implementing this rule yet. Prime example look at the Carolina Panthers quaterback it is not from throwing curve balls but from what I heard from the doctors on NFL live, is from poor throwing form and arm not in proper throwing position so that goes to show it is not all about throwing breaking pitches wake up we are not in the 60's or 70's any more. J/K hahahah
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Post by crash23 on Oct 9, 2007 21:39:56 GMT -8
LL Int'l took major steps backwards when they changed the days rest from 4 to 3 days last year. If N/NS really wants to make great strides in player safety they should go back to the 4 days rest after 65 pitches... That would provide greater safety than banning the "curve."
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Post by Chris on Oct 9, 2007 21:59:04 GMT -8
LL has new pitching rules which essentially do what your suggesting Craig. If a pitcher throws more than 41 pitches he can't pitch in the next game. They also eliminated the free pass on walks. Now you have to throw 4 pitches.
Also, a pitcher who throws even 1 pitch may not catch during the remainder of the game (day).
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Post by Mark on Oct 10, 2007 13:34:12 GMT -8
wow. all these new rules are funny.
throwing 80-100 pitches and doing nothing for 5 or 6 days then throwing another 80-100 pitching will do nothing good for an arm. kids of a young age need to be throwing in smaller doses (50-80) max and also have a conditioning system in place. where they long toss and pen in between games pitched.
just because a kid threw 80 on monday and hasnt throw since doesnt mean his arm is healthy enough to go and other 80 on Saturday and/or Sunday.
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Post by trevor9 on Oct 10, 2007 15:16:18 GMT -8
I agree with Mark. I think the solution is to get rid of LL and start a Cal Ripken charter. LL seems to make decisions and rule changes without seeking the opinions of people that have a clue. We have people in Williamsport that don't know the difference between baseball or Boy Scouts. I do have alot of faith and respect for the local board members on both sides this year but they will have their hands tied when it comes to LL international forcing rule changes.
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Post by Chris on Oct 10, 2007 18:00:27 GMT -8
The new ban on curve ball is coming from the N/NS BOD and not WP. BTW - Give Jr. an atta boy. I hear he had a hellofa tourney in Santa Cruz.
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Post by scrapper on Oct 10, 2007 19:50:43 GMT -8
S**t T-9, I hear you can barely start your car let alone start a whole new league. Good Luck. You should probably just stick to paying your 5K - 10k and send your kid around the country with Murph, that way he will be able play ball and you don't have to do the paperwork.
Mark, that is a great idea, and where can I get a conditioning coach to implement it. My hitting and pitching coach will not be far behind. I will also need the bullpen coach and first and third base coaches. ;D ;D
I better get my books out.
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Post by crash23 on Oct 10, 2007 21:17:48 GMT -8
LL has new pitching rules which essentially do what your suggesting Craig. If a pitcher throws more than 41 pitches he can't pitch in the next game. They also eliminated the free pass on walks. Now you have to throw 4 pitches. Now that makes sense! Also, a pitcher who throws even 1 pitch may not catch during the remainder of the game (day). Now that's just plain stupid! What if you're starting pitcher is the only other kid that can catch? You don't have a novice catch an Austin Bush or the like. LL is becoming a joke...
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Post by Mark on Oct 10, 2007 22:34:27 GMT -8
Mark, that is a great idea, and where can I get a conditioning coach to implement it. My hitting and pitching coach will not be far behind. I will also need the bullpen coach and first and third base coaches. ;D ;D I better get my books out. contact Central Catholic HS. they are well known for having 15 coaches in the dugout during baseball games
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Post by mflema on Oct 10, 2007 23:44:06 GMT -8
Okay guys, time for grandma; The motion that was passed reads: (DH, correct me if I am wrong) "Managers will not teach the curve ball or tell the pitcher to throw a curve ball" This may not be the complete quote, but it is the general gist of it. There is no penalty at this time, and there is no person who is going to police it. It is an advisory motion informing all of our managers that the TNLL does not promote the throwing of curve balls. Pure and simple. As a board member I supported this motion because it did not have a penalty or a policeman attached to it. It was an advisory only. I also think we are jumping the gun since LLHQ told me when I called to get why LL has not yet banned the curve ball, that they are in the second year of a 3 year study to determine why and if curve balls are really the bad culprit that they are claimed to be. Right now they are saying that overuse is the worst, and the other reason they are not ready to come out and ban the curve is because they have not been able to provide a good way to teach the umpires to recognize the curve ball throw. I did not want the motion to fail so that a more punitive motion could be raised and cause managers and players to have to get in trouble for a stupid reason. I thought if we had only an advisory motion then that it would be that. American would not be required to follow this just as they are not required to draft 9's like we do. Each league can have and does have it own ground rules. When we play interleague we must both follow the rules in the LL rule book. Which of course all the leagues already do that even if we are not interleaguing RIGHT GUYS? ? ;-) As for the grass, well we just spent a bunch of money on the infield last year and I think it would be irresponsible to spend the leagues money again. I don't want to give Mark a heart attack, but I agree with him about the conditioning. But again I am sure that coaches are already doing this RIGHT GUYS !!!!! ;-) By the way you all know I love sarcasm, please understand that as you read this. T9, thanks for the backhanded compliment to the boards, but please remember LL is not a cult, and LLHQ is not David Koresh, we on the local board has agreed to charter with this organization, for over 50 years, and every organization has it problems. Tony and I get calls from people all over this area, and further, asking how to get out of one program into LL, and hear their horror stories. I guess it is like a long marriage. Now to end this a quote from Yogi " If you come to a fork in the road, take it" Night all MEL
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Post by Chris on Oct 11, 2007 5:51:13 GMT -8
Thanks Mel for the clarification.
The only unresolved question for me is are we still getting any?
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Post by Randy Edwards on Oct 11, 2007 7:31:09 GMT -8
Not if your married!!!!!!! I'm sure you all understand..that marriage is the leading cause of divorce...... And by the way Mel thank you for letting us know what was passed and why it was passed on the N/NS. I like Ralphs take on the green book(Bible) and as long as we follow that there will be no issues with interleague or other Little League events..
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Post by Greenie on Oct 11, 2007 8:16:31 GMT -8
Thanks Mel for the clarification. The only unresolved question for me is are we still getting any? Some things we don't need to know
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