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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2005 14:23:51 GMT -8
Yeah, we won a city championship with a pitcher like that last year. Couldn't have done it without the other 11 kids tho. Teams are built around a "franchise player" all the time. I think Fenway was referring to the disharmony the parent of this kid created on the team. Not all great players carry the baggage to which Fenway was referring. In any case, kids jumping teams sux. How's that for being articulate?
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Post by anonymous on Nov 2, 2005 14:42:42 GMT -8
You know, you are probably right about that! There are definitely those exceptional "Lights Out" kind of kids...However it's so important that the other player's on the team feel like they are what makes the team as well, not just the ONE Player. Yeah, you may build your team around one player, but it's better to have 5 or 6 Core Players in case that one were to leave and cause the team to fall apart. To me, if you are building your team around 1 player, I certainly wouldn't tell anyone that. Just my opinion.
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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2005 15:03:31 GMT -8
LOL - ur so right. Praise that ONE kid in private and make sure you praise the rest of the kids publicly. That ONE kid gets plenty of kudos and we all know him when we see him. You can't win with just one player but that one player can carry a good team a whole lot farther. I'd rather lose than cater to anyone kid - team comraderie is more important to me than winning and I love winning
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Post by anonymous on Nov 2, 2005 15:07:17 GMT -8
I guess I just have a hard time figuring out why "Fenway" feels he/she can make comments like that about other people knowing that someone out there reads it and thinks that it could possibly be about them when it may or may not be. That's how all the "smack" talk gets started.
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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2005 15:34:26 GMT -8
I understand where she's coming from tho. I don't know, if anyone perceives it being about them perhaps they worry too much or perhaps there's a grain of truth to it and they know it. Hey, that's what forums are all about. Smack? LOL ur dating yourself I do think that anyone "trash" talking should do it out front and not anonymously. No offense, I mean generally speaking. I sign all of my trash talk.
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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2005 15:35:57 GMT -8
Off to practice - catch you later and thanks for diving into the discussion. It makes things more interesting around here.
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Post by fenwaypark on Nov 2, 2005 16:11:59 GMT -8
No pity party here-but thanks for the concern.
There is an old adage...a guilty conscience needs no accuser. Maybe things are hitting a little to close to home.
Spending a lot of time, being involved with teams, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the destruction of a team take place. Players are hurt when they see their teammates walk away.
I had several of our parents view the Turlock Rangers website. The consensus was they are indeed a class organization, both on and off the field. They exemplify what baseball should be like for the boys we coach.
No anger present here, just empathy for those who have had part in the dismantling of a team. If these comments bother you, look at your roster, I am sure the answer will be right there. Good luck, and I hope you win your next game...but at what cost?
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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2005 19:16:00 GMT -8
Touche Fenway! Thanks for the kind words. It sounds like we share the same values and we're definately on the same page.
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Post by Lisa Jefferies on Nov 2, 2005 20:41:28 GMT -8
There you go again assuming that just because I came into this under "anonymous" that I'm the one with the forbidden Roster or that perhaps I'm replying because it's touching close to home. lol.... I would basically like to get the point across that sometimes there are reasons that kids have been on a few different teams over the past few months or whatever. We recently switched to a different team so that we could keep our 10 year old with his own age group. He has always played up and rather than have so much pressure on him we felt that it was in his best interest. Afterall he is only 10 and we are the adults here. But the most important thing for us is that he is having fun. When the fun stops, that's when we would have no problem slowing the traveling life down. We often ask if he would like to take some time off and thus far the answer has been no. He loves playing ball and like all of you we love watching!!! Back to the team we recently joined....About two months into it about 5 of the parents decided they did not want to travel so much so now we are in the process of getting "another" team together which is the 10U BYB Team. We are thrilled to be apart of that organization and feel that our son will play for them for a very long time. Take Care
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Post by Chris on Nov 2, 2005 20:49:47 GMT -8
I moved my son down from the 12U Rangers for the same reason.
We're still having fun even as we struggle for each win. Although I remember Fresno being cold as heck last year in late November. I swore we would never play this late into the year again.
Good for you guys! Good luck & I hope you have a great time.
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Post by Mark on Nov 3, 2005 10:18:22 GMT -8
well GL to all no matter what age bracket you are playing in.
i am of the opinion that as long as the kid(s) are having fun, and as long as they are NOT being overwelmed in the higher age division, it is in their best interest to play there.
after all i am assuming most of you turlock folks are using this travel ball season to get better for the upcoming Little League seasons (National and American Leagues), right???
thats is why my 16's and 17's are playing up, because most of them next year will be playing Varsity (who will be loaded with (18's/Seniors) so what they are seeing right now (18 YO Seniors) will only make them better for the spring HS season.
for us this fall travel is just to get ready for HS. 7 of my 11 players will be playing Varsity as juniors (5 were already playing Varsity as Sophmores and/or Freshmen).
the 4 sophmores i have also have a good chance of making vasity this year. this will only increase their chances
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Post by dennisserpa on Nov 16, 2005 9:01:31 GMT -8
I have a couple things to say about the statements made here. 1. As a parent who had two players on the 10u Rangers team for their first tournament on the first part of August, I was told by the tournament director that they were going by last years age. There were several teams in that tournament that had this years 11s on thier teams. All of the kids were of the correct age for that tournament. In the other tournament that older kids played, I believe there were two kids, both boys were approved to play by the tournament director. One of those boys was the tournament directors son. There was no lies or deception about what was done in those two tournaments. I don't think this could be compared deliberately deceiving people by signing a team with several 11s up for a 10u tournament. As a coach, how can someone look thier kids in the eye and tell them to lie about thier age just to win a torunament. VERY SAD.
2. I'll agree tournament play is about winning, but it is also about developing a players skills. My son plays as a 9 this year on the Rangers 10u team. He is not a big contributer so according to some of you he shouldn't play. If there are only a couple players good enough to play travel ball in Turlock then what are you guys doing putting teams together? Your wasting your time. I'm doing this because my kids enjoy playing sports. I want to see them improve, work hard and do the best they can.
Dennis Serpa
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Post by Chris on Nov 16, 2005 9:46:21 GMT -8
Dennis ~
As usual your right on.
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Post by Just Laughing on Nov 16, 2005 11:39:50 GMT -8
The real thing is ask the parents of those kids why were they worried so much about being caught. This I heard with my own ears and then on top of that the manager even admitted to the players being illegal and that the tournament director even stated out of his own mouth that no one would really notice. So if there was any deception maybe you need to ask the manager of the Rangers 10u team because he sure thought there was alot of deception on his part and the part of the parents of the kids that played even one of them was a 12 year old. The thing is like the old saying do not try and clean out from under somone else steps before you clean out from under yours. The big picture is the kids are the innocent ones in all this and the adults are the ones blowing it all out of preportion. So I think this is the biggest joke I have ever read on travel ball. I will finish with this question for evryboby that has responded to this joke. If your team is that good or that bad would you have played this team knowing these players were on there. You guys make such a big deal out of it now when the competition is better but when Little League starts up and the 10,11,12's are playing together and maybe on this team your kid is 1 of the top players, you never here a word spoken.
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Post by Tony Murphy on Nov 16, 2005 12:11:22 GMT -8
I would like to respond to Mr. Serpa and to Just Laughing. As a manager of a travel team and have been for several years this is something that goes on all the time whether it be a team you know or not it happens in Little League it happens in travel ball it goes on everywhere but that does not mean that it is the right thing to do. I have to agree the kids are the innocent one. Alot of times they do not know what is going on. As far as the situation with the Rangers I could care less if the kids were 11 or 12 the only way kids are going to get better is face the top kids around no matter what their age is. I could give you a few examples of Turlock Ranger kids that have played up in age and have been successful and you do not ever hear those kids or parents complain about playing with older kids by the way my 10's played up with 11's this weekend whether you win or lose it can only make your kid better physically and mentally. For just laughing if you think travel ball is such a joke and this whole thing is a joke have you seen some of the competition or, are you just one of those that just likes to put in your 2 cents worth. Mr. Serpa as far as your son, some teams do try and build championship team and then you have teams that just start out and have to take time and build the teams up but I have seen your kids play and both of them could be quality travel ball players but it is hard to compete against kids that have been togather for a couple of years. Believe me if they stick with the travel ball they will improve 110% with good coaching. But a little word of advice for what it is worth it is easy to get discourage when you see teams that are winning alot but the thing to remember is alot of teams in travel ball start out as 8 or 9 and stay together for a long while. By the way Just Laughing if you have a team and would like to set up a double header with my team I would be more than happy to play them a double header whether their 10 or 12. You may win but the thing is I will not complain one bit about their age.
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