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Post by dennisserpa on Nov 16, 2005 14:13:42 GMT -8
In response to Just Hiding, oops, I mean Laughing, the tournament my older son, an 11, was in (early August) was a combination of 10s and 11s to field enough teams. That is if you are going by this years age. Right? Or at least that is what I was told. That tournament was going on just as all stars was winding down. I think the people hosting tournaments have done a great job putting tournaments together in Turlock so we can have local games for our kids. Maybe I'm a little ignorant at tournaments, I go to watch my kids, not gossip. Anyways, I not saying it's right because my younger son, a 9, is on the team, I was just responding to the statement that the Rangers 10u team used 5 ineligible players. I will again say that if players are approved by the people who put on the tournament so that team could play, how can they be ineligible? That is up to the host of the tournament and the organization they represent. To be honest with you I think tournaments should require birth certificates with their applications. That would cut out all this crap. As far as me having something to hide or clean up, you know my name. To respond to Tony. You're right, and the experience my boys are getting right now will definitely show next spring when they take the little league field. Dennis Serpa
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Post by Mark on Nov 16, 2005 19:25:24 GMT -8
If there are only a couple players good enough to play travel ball in Turlock then what are you guys doing putting teams together? i believe that i am the one who first posted an estimate of how many " Quality Travel Balls Players" turlock produces on average per year. so i believe this part of your post was directed at me. so i will respond to this by saying that i stand by my estimate. when i say "Quality" i mean they will be one of the top players on any travel team they play on. Look, my brother is IMO a really good player, and he came from a year that was REALLY DEEP in Quality players. he is from the same year of players that have District 10 and Section 6 Champion Flags hanging in Centerfield at Soderquist (2002 Best LL All Star team from Turlock National EVER), he was the SS on and played in 4 consecutive City Championship Games (Only played LL for 4 years made the "Game" every year), that class produced approximatley 11 "Quality" travel ball players. ALL were great LL pitchers. 3 from National South (galdamez, perez, clapper) 4 from National (scott, palomino, palacio, keaton) 3 from American (mendoza, davis, harper 1 from American East (fregosi) that class has gone on to produce 1 Great HS Pitcher-National South/Willie Galdamez/Turlock HS 1 Elite HS Prospect-American/Elijah Davis/Turlock Christian HS the other 9 are "quality travel ball/high school players" ( 3 are playing for me right now they are still just 15 years old as i speak and finished up with a 15-5 record in their last 20 games against 18 Year Olds and made huge contributions on their team) ================================ the following year (class of 2003) produced 2 "Quality" travel ball players 1 from National South-D. King 1 from National-J. Buchanan NO1 from American/American East stood out to me ================================ class of 2004 had 2 in Nat/Nat South Both were from National Hayden Baldwin Tyler Harris ================================ class of 2005/ Nat and Nat. South was kind of tricky because there was only one standout.. and i am not sure if he stoodout because of the lack of competition or because he was that good. =============================== now with that said, i in no way, meant to say that if you arent that good you cant or shouldnt be playing travel. by all means if your kid likes playing, has the will to play, and can find a team, play as much as possible (it will only make kids better). I'm doing this because my kids enjoy playing sports. I want to see them improve, work hard and do the best they can. Dennis Serpa thats what it is all about!!!!!!! that and winning. the trick is to have FUN and WIN. ps i have seen your kid play and he is one of the better players in turlock for his age group. Speed Kills!!!!!!! gl in the future
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Post by Craig Cumberland on Nov 17, 2005 21:50:01 GMT -8
I agree with Dennis - every kid should have to show birth certificate and ID before they play.
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Post by Mark on Nov 17, 2005 23:37:43 GMT -8
agreed ^^^^ in all but 1 tournament we played in they did go over every BC, prior to first game.
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Post by Chris on Nov 18, 2005 7:24:31 GMT -8
Probably won't work in all instances. Without a photo ID it would be difficult to enforce. Back in my HS days (yes a long time ago) I traveled to wrestling tournaments much like the tournaments we attend. All of the participants were issued AAU ID cards that you had to carry with you and submit when you enter. Seems logical to me.
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Post by Tony Murphy on Nov 18, 2005 9:32:36 GMT -8
I agree there should be a system in place that each different association such as super series,usssa, and bpa when you join them there should be a person on sight at your very first tournament and check all bc's and issue a photo ID that the manager would have to show all of them at each tournament they attend. That way if things are shacky then it solely falls back on the manager and parents.
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Post by Mark on Nov 18, 2005 11:23:56 GMT -8
true, id cards would cut back on some kids using BC's that arent theirs
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Post by Michelle Delgado on Nov 21, 2005 10:09:25 GMT -8
I agree there should be a system in place that each different association such as super series,usssa, and bpa when you join them there should be a person on sight at your very first tournament and check all bc's and issue a photo ID that the manager would have to show all of them at each tournament they attend. That way if things are shacky then it solely falls back on the manager and parents.
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Post by Michelle Delgado on Nov 21, 2005 10:45:34 GMT -8
Sorry about my first reply to Mr. Murphy's comment on the responsibility of a player's eligibility falling on the coaches and parents. I am new here and trying to figure this out...getting back to the point at hand.
The responsibility of a team's roster falls on that of the coach and the tournament director. This past weekend I raised the question, how can a registered player, who is still on the on-line roster, play on another team?
If we as adults are trying to instill good sportsmanship in our sons and players, why is this tolerated? Why are concessions made for one team when the remainder teams are not only held to the rules, but respect them? The comment was made to me, that if this were a Super Series tourney, it definitely would not be tolerated.
Please understand, this is not a player issue. Players go to new teams to find the best fit for them. What is the issue is what about those teams who came into this tournament believing that the rules were equal for all?
The greatest compliment we received this weekend was from an umpire who praised our kids and families. We know that we followed the rules, our roster was in check. We had a great weekend of good baseball. Unfortunately, it was a bit tarnished knowing what was allowed to happen.
We cheered, we sighed, we played against great teams and had fun.
On our team,like many out there this weekend, baseball is about having fun, sportsmanship, learning the game and bettering onself.
It's also about the integrity you have when you walk on and off the field...
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Post by Chris on Nov 21, 2005 11:47:34 GMT -8
First, welcome to the forum Michelle!
Hmm, thats a good question. What is the process for checking on-line rosters? Many teams have finished their tournament seasons by now. I think the remaining teams are scurrying to fill their rosters to have enough kids to play. If a team has ended their season is it legit for a player to move on to another team in the current year? Does the player have to be released first? I don't know. The system definately has to be fixed so teams such as yours aren't constantly playing against teams who have stacked the deck and are out of compliance with the rules.
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Post by Tony Murphy on Nov 21, 2005 12:43:06 GMT -8
Mrs Delgado I agree with you as tournament directors and coaches there should be more responsibility but the way things work is when teams host tournaments they are more worried about how much money they can make than making sure everyone is on the up and up. As far as online rosters they do not hold up much because players switch teams during the year. Mark Mathews is the Northern California Director of Super Series Baseball him and I have spoke on this several times. If a player shows up to play for a certain team and he was with another team before as long as the coach goes on line and drops him he can play. Super Series has the best web site for this because they explain all the player changes as of Jan. 06 there are no more rosters everyone has to register again so basically what happens is alot of teams combine to make the team stronger and that is why at this time of year you see alot of teams with players from other teams so basically this is the time that alot of players change. I feel the same way my roster and parents and players are registered and I carry birth certificates and my roster with me every tournament we go to. So if any one would like to see it I have it all they have to do is ask. I had the same thing happen to me a couple of weeks ago when we had a player from another team join us so I and the parents both called the coach and there was no problem in getting the kid released from the other team. It was a Super series qualifier and they did check the roster and it had to be a computer print out it could not be written in by hand. Mrs. Delgado I do agree with you but sometimes other people worry about to much small stuff instead of the big picture and that being the kids . If I had a player that wanted to switch teams I may not like it but I in no way would have hard feelings against the kid because the only thing important is the kids are happy and doing something they like and not on the streets.
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Post by Mark on Nov 21, 2005 18:03:47 GMT -8
What is the process for checking on-line rosters? i believe super series has a built in mechanism in their on -ine registration that records adress and last names where if you add some1 that is on another roster they wont let you add him. this happened to me earlier this year as i have a set of twins on my team, we had to call super series so they could put the second twin on the roster If a team has ended their season is it legit for a player to move on to another team in the current year? YES, they just have to be released by the old team manager on line roster and added by the new manager on line Does the player have to be released first? yes
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Post by Chris on Nov 21, 2005 18:23:04 GMT -8
Thansk MC for the clarification.
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Post by Tony Murphy on Nov 22, 2005 8:02:30 GMT -8
In response to the player being released if it is the end of the year and every team has to register again the player does not have to be released from previous team that is according to Mark Mathews director of Super Series after the end of the year a player can reregister with any team he wants but after he registers with that team, then he has to be released from the previous manager.
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Post by Mark on Nov 22, 2005 9:58:54 GMT -8
tony is correct, at the conclusion of the "National" tournament, whether it be in January (for Fall/Winter Nationals) or July after the summer "Nationals" all players/coaches are dumped from the Database (except banned players and/or coaches) and are considered "free agrents"
Another tid bit is once a player is with a team , if he decides he wants to jump ship and play fro another team but then realizes he had more fun with the first team he CANNOT return to the original team if they have Qualified for Nationals (which isnt very hard, i lbelieve all you have to do to qualify is take 4th place or higher) ============================ also (one last also) if say for example a new player moves to town and he is a super stud.
say your team is
a 12U AMERICAN
and his old team was a
12U NATTIONAL
that player CANNOT play on your team unless you move your team up to the NATIONAL DIVISION
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