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Post by bubba on Jun 13, 2006 7:26:02 GMT -8
Is there a local must slide at home rule in Turlock National. Last night ump called runner at home out for not sliding. This happened in an AA game what a joke. No contact was made, no tag. Throw came in, catcher had the ball BR steps on plate heads to the dug, ump calls him out for not sliding. I put up on the rules site and every response says there's no rule of must slide.
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Post by Chris on Jun 13, 2006 7:42:28 GMT -8
This is the most misinterpreted rule in LL. The runner must slide or attempt to go around the defensive player if the defensive player is in possession of the ball and waiting to make the tag. There is no such thing as a must slide rule.
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Post by scrapper on Jun 13, 2006 8:12:02 GMT -8
We got hosed on that call . It took us out of a 4 run inning. The Kids were really disappointed after that call. Oh well. The Kids kept battling.
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Post by Chris on Jun 13, 2006 10:09:21 GMT -8
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Post by scrapper on Jun 13, 2006 11:20:46 GMT -8
I read it. Based on what I saw and read I think the Blue made the wrong call. I was sitting behind the plate in the box. I think if the ball would have gotten there a couple of second later, the call would've have been a good one. But you take'em as get'em. He made the call and that's that.
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Post by bubba on Jun 13, 2006 12:23:17 GMT -8
According to the rule Scrapper the ball didn't matter. there is no such thing as must slide. Now if the BR knocks the catcher down without sliding I believe he would be out for not sliding or for not going around the catcher, but as you know there was no contact, there wasn't even a tag. The ump called the BR out while BR was heading toward dug out stating "he didn't slide". The Blue clearly misunderstood the rule and therefore made the wrong call. This was not a judgement call, it was a rule call.
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Post by bubba on Jun 13, 2006 12:37:05 GMT -8
I know everyone will probably hate me for this but, in defense of this blue and all of US that put on the blue, WE do not have the book memorized. WE all miss one for time to time and unless you've worn the geer and been behind the plate YOU have no idea. I also highly recommend you ump a game or two I asure you it will change your opinion, in some cases. Is this true for those of you who have umpired, I know it changed my attitude toward the umps. It also helped me with the rules for when I'm coaching.
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Post by scrapper on Jun 13, 2006 13:08:46 GMT -8
"WE all miss one for time to time and unless you've worn the geer and been behind the plate YOU have no idea. I also highly recommend you ump a game or two I asure you it will change your opinion, in some cases"
Pretty arrogant To have implied I haven't umped, Have you ever had a parent follow you out to your car and take a swing at you because you called his kid out in a 3-3 tie in the bottom of sixth. I have. To say I have no idea, that's BS. I have umped, behind the plate in little league, not as recent as the current blues in the league, but I have,
and I agree that it is not a rule call, what I'm saying is based on BR, he would not have slid because he is afraid, That is why I said, if the ball would've have been there earlier, he would be out, due to the fact that BR would not have made the attempt to get out of the way.
I should have elaborated on previous post. Just because I do not believe the call was right does not say that I am against the blue.
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Post by crash23 on Jun 13, 2006 14:18:59 GMT -8
A great lesson for the BR... if in doubt SLIDE! Can't get called out that way... Sounds like the play was close enough that he should have been sliding anyway. Not that that justifies the call...
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Post by scrapper on Jun 13, 2006 14:49:14 GMT -8
the BR should have been sliding, however, very tentative BR.
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Post by bubba on Jun 13, 2006 19:39:11 GMT -8
Scrapper didn't direct my comment at you. sorry if you thought I was implying that you have no idea. I meant it in a general comment way to those who have not put on the blue. I'm just saying its harder than it looks and sometimes the fans have a different angle that makes it appear the runner is safe or its a strike not a ball etc.. I respect your baseball knowledge although I did not know you have umpired before, still the post was not a direct comment to anyone.
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Post by rocko on Jun 13, 2006 20:34:15 GMT -8
I wasn't at the game nor have I ever umpired. However, it is pretty humorous to me how Blue on occasion make calls that change the event of a game based on the possibility of an outcome or potential risk. I am all for safety...but it is a fine line to enforce and re-interpret and define the LL rules of the game.
If the ball reached the catcher but no contact was made then the could've, would've happen scenerio is not enough reason to make this call. No contact no tag.....something does not ring right here
El Rocko
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Post by scrapper on Jun 14, 2006 7:39:45 GMT -8
I think the blue thought the play was closer than it was, due to the fact that the BR kinda froze when the ball came in because he thought it was going to hit him. Plus at the higher level, most kids would've slid. That is why I think he called him out. Sometimes we forget these kids are only 8 & 9.
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Post by lboullion on Jun 14, 2006 11:15:48 GMT -8
Hey, at least the kid was not ejected from the game and suspened two games and then his dad suspened for 5 games.
That would have been a terrible injustice. This kid had just as much grounds for ejection as my kid did in our game. Am I saying that the kid should have been thrown out? No, sounds like it should have been a no call, meaning the run counts. Just tired of umpires taking the game away from the kids.... was this the same umpire who called the kid out after he hit a homerun for "throwing" the bat. Wonder if it was the same umpire all three times..... if not we have a load of power hungry umpires. L Boullion
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Post by Byrd on Jun 14, 2006 17:07:19 GMT -8
I know the ump who waived the homerun for throwing the bat was not the same ump who tossed your boy Lance. As far as the call out at home I have no idea who was umping that game. Still sad to call out a youngster on a call at the plate for not sliding if there was no play. Good luck with your travel ball.
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