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Post by scrapper on Mar 8, 2007 12:51:02 GMT -8
I know. ;D all those parent in travel ball thinks their kids a prima donna and should be playing every inning of every game.
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Post by knezme on Mar 8, 2007 14:05:10 GMT -8
If that were the case, you could carry 9 players at all times......they would be guaranteed every inning !!! ;D ;D I just think if you need a kid and you can't find one in Turlock, and there's a kid that lives in Keyes...........LOL.........If he fits the team and you can teach him something, there should be no reason why you wouldn't pick him up. He should have the same chance as the rest. City limits shouldn't matter. It all comes down to an ego trip !! BTW- Kudos to you crash for having a kid from Gustine. You can pat yourself on the azz.
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Post by Mark on Mar 8, 2007 14:22:55 GMT -8
I know. ;D all those parent in travel ball thinks their kids a prima donna and should be playing every inning of every game. actually, i have always had more problems with parents complaining about playing time in LL than in Travel. reason being in LL you get what you get and your last 4 or 5 drafts arent usually very good. so you usually only play them the minimum. in travel kids were recruited by you and you know what they can do. you have the confidence that the number 14 player on your team can get that important hit you need. so bench players get plenty of playing time. therefore less complaints from parents
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Post by scrapper on Mar 8, 2007 14:57:07 GMT -8
yea, but that does not necessarily mean that number 14 gonna play the same amount of time. He could sit for three games and you put'em in with the bases loaded and two outs and down by two.
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Post by lboullion on Mar 9, 2007 21:57:40 GMT -8
I agree, more problems in Rec. ball with playing time. At the travel level, you understand it's not about equal playing time, it's about winning (most of the time).
Also, the prima donna's are in Rec. ball. Every parent thinks there kid is a god becuase they are an "all-star". What is an "all-star" when over 140 kids from Turlock will be one this year. I hear parents all the time saying, my kid has been an all star every year. If you are the top 2-3 players on your all-star team, then you might do well in travel. My son was not an all star at 9, he was at 10 and 11 and wasn't at 12.
L Boullion
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Post by ernn7 on Mar 25, 2007 14:43:47 GMT -8
If that were the case, you could carry 9 players at all times......they would be guaranteed every inning !!! ;D ;D I just think if you need a kid and you can't find one in Turlock, and there's a kid that lives in Keyes...........LOL.........If he fits the team and you can teach him something, there should be no reason why you wouldn't pick him up. He should have the same chance as the rest. City limits shouldn't matter. It all comes down to an ego trip !! BTW- Kudos to you crash for having a kid from Gustine. You can pat yourself on the azz.
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Post by Chris on Mar 25, 2007 21:07:16 GMT -8
LOL - Ern just joined and has to be the least popular guy here. -3 Karma. You're really rolling dude.
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Post by scrapper on Mar 25, 2007 23:08:02 GMT -8
People, People, People I think we all understand it is about winning, but I can't imagine parents who kid was asked to join the team, put out 370-600 or more dollars and cart his kid 30 miles and then he only plays every third game.
C'mon, there gotta be some type of unwritten rule about playing time. If not, how do justify the development of the players. Then I think the development of a player and the winning is a little skewed. At that I would think It is 80% winning and 20% development.
I don't know much I am just a "rec-ball parent".
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Post by trevor9 on Mar 26, 2007 6:02:49 GMT -8
Big Ernie McCracken should get more respect than -3. Just because he is a nascar buddy of knee's doesn't mean he doesn't know baseball. Here's a hint......his kid is a "Star".
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Post by Chris on Mar 26, 2007 6:46:16 GMT -8
good guy eh? I guess we shouldn't let his relationship with Kenny let him get dragged down.
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Post by Mark on Mar 26, 2007 13:30:57 GMT -8
People, People, People I think we all understand it is about winning, but I can't imagine parents who kid was asked to join the team, put out 370-600 or more dollars and cart his kid 30 miles and then he only plays every third game. C'mon, there gotta be some type of unwritten rule about playing time. If not, how do justify the development of the players. Then I think the development of a player and the winning is a little skewed. At that I would think It is 80% winning and 20% development. sometimes there are well meaning coaches and sometimes there are coaches that just want to collect money to get into more tournament. what one must look for when joining a travel team is the current roster, do some backround research. if your kid is an average outfielder and a team has 6 OFers that might not be the team for you. there may be another team out there of equal caliber looking for an OFer and walla, a match made in heaven. little bit of research, talk to the coaches about expectations on both sides, and the probability of having a positive travel experience should increase
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Post by knezme on Mar 26, 2007 16:48:00 GMT -8
Man.....OOO......Man.......I guy stays off here for a few days and gets his name dragged through he mud..... Come on Deputy Barney do right........I think that round pot-bellied pig ernn is your buddy. At least you call him all the time for coaching advise !!! BTW-Chris........ to know me, is to love me. ;D
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Post by crash23 on Mar 27, 2007 10:01:24 GMT -8
People, People, People I think we all understand it is about winning, but I can't imagine parents who kid was asked to join the team, put out 370-600 or more dollars and cart his kid 30 miles and then he only plays every third game. C'mon, there gotta be some type of unwritten rule about playing time. If not, how do justify the development of the players. Then I think the development of a player and the winning is a little skewed. At that I would think It is 80% winning and 20% development. I don't know much I am just a "rec-ball parent". Interesting points. A few thoughts (out of many). Players are developed in practice for the most part, though game experience is important... but do you sit kids that have put in more time and whose game is further along than others so the other kids get playing time? If you win doing that everyone is OK with it (for the most part) but if you lose the game b/c of it then people will talk (more). Even when you carry 10 and bat all 10 there's second guessing - but that's the nature of the coaching. It seems everyone is always barking about kids not getting enough playing time... but when the more experienced kids sit so less experience kids can play how's that fair? My answer is part of this experience is learning to be a good teammate and part of that is realizing there will be times when everyone sits. The quandary is how much should everyone sit? Some parents think everyone should sit equally. Some think the less experienced players should get their time as the situation permits (seeding games on Saturday, consolation games, etc). At then end of the day it's tough (impossible) for a coach to keep everyone happy. If you're lucky, you have parents that understand the quagmire and realize the coach will sometimes make decisions they disagree with... but if the parents can agree with the vast majority of a coach's decisions then they are in a pretty good situation. Scrapper asks how a coach can justify travel ball parents putting up the money for limited playing time. My answer would be this... If you have a good coach then it's far cheaper deal than it would be if parents were paying a pitching instructor and hitting coach for their time. Most are a minimum of $30 an hour. How much would you have to pay your travel ball coach if you paid him by the hour??? With a travel team you get a lot more than just the "lessons"... there's also friendships, life experiences, and great memories. You can't put a price tag on that. I'd rather have my son be a part time player and get that than not be exposed to it at all. Hopefully a player that sees limited playing time will work hard to crack the starting line-up. That's a lesson that will help them in any aspect of life... hard work pays off with promotions, better pay checks, whatever. Travel ball is the first time many of these kids are exposed to what can be the cold hearted nature of sports. I think it's a valuable lesson to learn before they try out for high school baseball. When all is said and done the players with the most talent play - fair or not. All the "negotiating" by parents won't change that. On most high school teams there's 10 - 12 players that get the majority of the playing time. Every game there's several players that never get an at bat much less pinch run. When parents decide to get involved in travel ball they need to make sure they find a team and a coach that fits what they want. There's win at all cost teams that are continually cutting players and replacing them with better ones or there's local teams who aren't at the level of competitiveness. Travel ball can be a lot of fun - and it should be - if everyone keeps it in perspective Very few of kids playing will make it to the pros - or even earn D1 scholarships... so what's that leave us with? Having a little fun, learning a little baseball and some life lessons, and making memories that will last a lifetime. And the end of it all, if a kid walks away with those things everyone involved should be happy as a pig in sh*t!
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Post by knezme on Mar 28, 2007 4:41:21 GMT -8
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Post by crash23 on Mar 28, 2007 15:24:55 GMT -8
Passing gas again NASCAR boy? lol
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