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Post by Chris on Mar 23, 2007 9:39:20 GMT -8
Just curious because we really haven't discussed it but how are we going to seed for the City Tourney? Ideas?
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Post by scrapper on Mar 23, 2007 10:23:15 GMT -8
I have got a tons of ideas. Hopefully one will work.
First, would be overall records. With top teams of both divisions there will be likely teams with the same records. A tie-break system would need to be put in place.
If two team have the same record you look at their inter-league record and the one with the most wins gets the higher seeds.
If still tied then used the either the Runs For and/or Runs against. or a ratio like if a team has scored 120 runs and given up 32 they should get the higher seed than the team has scored 90 and given up 62 .
Hopefully that's helps. But I am sure that the coaches with all of the travel ball experience would have an idea.
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Post by Randy Edwards on Mar 23, 2007 11:26:50 GMT -8
Here is a few monkey wrenches. and maybe on idea or 2... The plan as of now is to have the top 2 teams in each league and the 3rd team go to the TOC. 1-We can not use the runs for or against because of the 10 run rule we have. 2-I do not think the inter-league record should be used to seed a team just for the fact that if we are using over all record thats the way we should stay. Over all record and with said the A/AE has 21 games how many does the N/NS have? this may be an issue and for the NS how many times do the play each other? Now with all that said this is JMO Take the 4 number one teams and draw a # 1 to 4 place them on the bracket in that order Take the 4 number two teams and draw a # 1 to 4 place them in the bracket and let the play begin. This way no number 1 teams plays another number one team until the second round.
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Post by scrapper on Mar 23, 2007 12:52:58 GMT -8
I like the drawing aspect of it. Your right, we do not #1's playing each other in the first round. Nobody get upset, this just speculation if we took the NS Yankees 19-2 Nat Dodgers 18-3 AE Padres 17-4 AM Orioles 16-5 They would be seeded according 1 thru 4 and if the 2s Nat Giants 14-7 AE Cubs 13-8 Am Red Sox 12-9 NS Angels 11-10 The NS Angels would face the NS Yankees The AM Red-Sox would face the Nat Dodgers The AE Cubs would face the AE Padres The Nat Giants would face the AM Orioles Something like that That should work. If the teams have the same record then we put them in a hat and draw. If a second place team has a better record then a first place team, it doesn't matter, they still came in second. They would just be the highest rank 2nd place team.
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Post by Chris on Mar 23, 2007 13:19:52 GMT -8
Nope I don't like it.
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Post by Greenie on Mar 23, 2007 13:25:01 GMT -8
It SUCK'S
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Post by Randy Edwards on Mar 23, 2007 14:37:26 GMT -8
What don't you like ? Any other ideas?
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Post by Coop on Mar 25, 2007 9:48:34 GMT -8
Yes Randy,
I agree with brackets set up with #1's in each backet with the draw from a hat. First of all what are our goals? How can we make it fun for all but yet fair and competative. I think that each league should have a league rep. on a committee to determine how to make this workable. The following are just so thougths that Randy asked for, just ideas:
I think in the first round bracket #1 should be N/NS and bracket #2 should be A/AE and the same for brackets #3 and #4. This way the two leagues N/NS or A/AE #1 seeds don't knock each other off in the second round if they get that far. Making it possible where we may have a championship game with either N/NS or A/AE facing each other. As far who will host the championship, we either wait to see who get's there or we stay with alternating fields as we have been doing in the past. I don't know if stocking our snackbars is an issue or not because we will be hosting All Stars anyway.
Scheduling - This would be a seven game schedule. Again what are our goals? What about rain make ups if that comes around? What is our time line with All Star selection and practice? Do we want to finish on a Friday or a Saturday? Monday through Friday or Tuesday through Saturday? I perfer Saturday. In either case we would need to set up days off equality for all. So with Tuesday through Saturday, games would be played on Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday. Why I like Saturday is we can make it a Little League day event for all with a BBQ, Dunk Tank and etc's. Most importantly for this to happen, what about our Minor's program and their playoffs?
Using both fields to play and using Tuesday through Saturday:
1st Round Games #1 and #3 start at 5/5:30 with no time limit Games #2 and #4 start 20 minutes or ?? after the first game with a time limit at 10pm
2nd Round Game #5 at Julien Field with starting time at 6pm Game #6 at Soderquist Field "
3rd Round - Championship Game Game #7 at whatever field the committee deceided with a game time at 6pm If there is a Minor League Playoff maybe game time at 3pm, giving time to prep field for game #7.
Placing Teams Again #1 seeds in each bracket with alternating leagues and the same with #2 seeds. If we have a tie with overall record, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN EARNED. We can go head to head if inter-league, league play within their own league or the following: 1 - who gave up the least amount of runs (understandably using the 10 rule) 2 - strike outs or walks given up 3 - coin toss
Rules I feel we stay with our season rules and not tournament rules because it would not be fair to the weaker players who have worked hard all season to help their team get to where they are by the end of the season. They are just as important as the better players.
Once again these are just some thoughts and ideas of mine.
Coop
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Post by crash23 on Mar 25, 2007 9:49:42 GMT -8
I think you'd need to have a meetig to discuss it. Just b/c a team finishes # 1 doesn't necessarily mean they are one of the top four teams. The Vikings winning the Central Division with an 8 - 8 record doesn't mean they are as good the second place team in the East that went 10 - 6. Just an example. At the end of the day there isn't a perfect scenario for seeding... If it's double elimination it all balances out anyway.
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