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Post by trevor9 on Jan 31, 2007 8:33:47 GMT -8
The most recent problem from last night seems to be how long does a coach (not manager) have to be on the staff to get rights to his own son? The same people that are bringing this up this year have been guilty of breaking this rule in the past and now they want there to be 2 years of coaching to be eligiable. Maybe the numbers are down because of the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality.
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Post by Chris on Jan 31, 2007 9:12:04 GMT -8
This is a great topic for Melody or Tony. Two years is my understanding.
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Post by crash23 on Jan 31, 2007 9:41:08 GMT -8
It's spelled out pretty clearly in the LL Operating Manual. I believe it says you have to be a COACH (not an asst. coach) for one year prior and that during that year you had to be ON THE FIELD for more than 50% of the games. Maybe someone can post the exact terminology here and on the Turlock LL site so there can be NO CONFUSION?
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Post by johntemple on Jan 31, 2007 11:45:57 GMT -8
Page 65 of the operating manual is what Craig is refering to it does say for the past two years and that the coach is returning to the same Major League Team as last year.
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Post by trevor9 on Jan 31, 2007 11:58:08 GMT -8
So if a coach is returning to the same major league team and the year before he was a manager in fall ball which was part of LL that year he should be in compliance.
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Post by Mark on Jan 31, 2007 12:22:15 GMT -8
i dont think fall ball would count
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Post by trevor9 on Jan 31, 2007 12:56:17 GMT -8
It's worth a shot, we seem to have a loose interpretation of the rule book.
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Post by crash23 on Jan 31, 2007 13:33:14 GMT -8
The rule book is pretty black and white, shouldn't be any room for loose interpretations...
I do give LL props for that. The pretty much dot all their i's cand cross all their t's. I like the way they have it laid out so no team can load up by stacking the coaching staff with the fathers of the best players kids.
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Post by crash23 on Jan 31, 2007 13:41:01 GMT -8
If I'm not mistaken (and I could be) they have to be a coach for two years in the league and the previous year with the same team in order to have rights. They don't have to be a coach for two years on the same team (just one). In other words if you were a coach in the minors one year then a coach on the major league team the next, you'd then have rights to your son the next (your third) season. Or as is the case with one of my coaches he was a coach for the Cubs the last two seasons so we have the rights to his son this year.
I don't think leagues have the option of altering or amending these type of draft rules.
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Post by scrapper on Jan 31, 2007 13:53:43 GMT -8
What if, you have three coaches that have 12's and the next year there is nobody.
If I wanted to take the team the next year, I couldnt? Because I would have had been a manager for 2 years prior.
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Post by Chris on Jan 31, 2007 13:57:37 GMT -8
No - manager and coaches rights are a different animal. You'd still have manager rights and in your case brothers rights.
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Post by Mark on Jan 31, 2007 14:53:09 GMT -8
exactly. managers rights are automatic just need to do the paperwork
brothers rights are the same
coaches right are different, simply because alote of stacking can happen.
i mean managers rights are a huge tool in rebuilding a team if the managers son is a stud thats like getting 2-1st rounders. its even better if you got first pick and there are 6 eligible standouts at tryouts in a 5 team league. then a manager can get 3 of the top 7 picks.
msny people dont like being appointed manager of a last place team. but in all honesty that is the best way to rebuild a team in a hurry if you know what you are doing.
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Post by Chris on Jan 31, 2007 14:59:24 GMT -8
Yep, you're absolutely right. The new A's coach has a talented son, brother's rights and the first pick in the draft. He's sitting pretty and should be able to snatch 3-4 standout players to add to a couple of good players already on the team.
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Post by Chris on Jan 31, 2007 15:03:10 GMT -8
BTW Craig - Taking Lance out of the equation I'm glad to see the A/AE BOD is taking a pretty firm stance to prevent some of the shanangins that traditionally go on during the draft. I'm talking about LL in general not necessarily A/AE or N/NS.
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Post by lboullion on Jan 31, 2007 17:39:27 GMT -8
Chris,
What about Brother's rights. Adrian was a Philly last year. Michael didn't play with the Phillies last year. I coached with the Phillies. Now that Michael wants to play this year wouldn't brother's rights be in effect. Adrian is now 13 and out of the league but since our family was a part of the Philly team why would we not be able to be a part of it again this year? Espicially since I coached the players last year and hope to coach them again this year. I will still coach as best I can with no kid on the team and 4 kids at home.
It would be kind of awkward to coach against my son while he played on another team. We'd have to be at both games all year too along with my younger son playng LL and my older son playing out of Stockton. Too much baseball even for us.
Please let me know if you have the official ruling on brother's rights where one brother moves on but the next one is coming into the majors?
My son Michael is an average little league player. On his Benchwarmer (fall team) he was an average player. He was not an all star last season. He did not play travel ball. Not that this matters but the Team Stacking thing isnt true. I could have had Michael and Adrian on the same team last year but didnt.
Michael did not sign up until last night (Tues.) and we only signed up because he thought he was going to be on Tyler's team. He was only going to play because he thought he was a Philly. My other son is still sign up to play because he wants to play in Turlock, even though it has to be minors.
L Boullion
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