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Post by trevor9 on Apr 7, 2010 20:06:38 GMT -8
Kramer getting tossed didn't help but Turlock still had enough to beat Escalon without him. Escalon has four good hitters and the pitcher was above average. My concern was how the Bulldogs responded to the early departure of Kevin, they need to show people and themselves they can win without a key player. I can play armchair quarterback all day but I won't blame the coaches for the decision to not throw Vince today (even though I would have). My only regret is that the coaching staff did very little to believe in the team on the field. I would have gone apesh!t when you have the tying run at the plate and a ball is hit out of play and caught for the final out. Coach D merely went to the umpire and shook his hand.....class act...yes. But for crying out loud that was a horsesh!t call and the players might respond the next time out knowing their coach has their back and would at least question a bad call. They seemed to have given up when Kevin got tossed and that is where a different approach from D would have righted the ship. They have five coaches in the dugout, next time I would like to see one of them "sack up" and fight for their team. This team needs to learn to balance adversity a little better and know that showing a little emotion in a positive way is not always a bad thing. I'm not chanting "Ampipe" yet but I can only keep Jim Flood on a leash for so long!
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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2010 20:27:43 GMT -8
Crash would have pitched Wheeland too because you know the game in front of you is the one that counts. You have a good staff and I don't know who pitched. You have 3 or 4 guys that should be able to beat Escalon.
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Post by Chris on Apr 7, 2010 21:43:41 GMT -8
Ha - Crash has come and gone with an implicit "no comment."
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Post by KEITH on Apr 8, 2010 20:50:05 GMT -8
PITMAN JV 10 LOS BANOS 0
CHAMPIONSHIP OF MERCED JV DISTRICT CHALLENGE
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Post by Randy Edwards on Apr 9, 2010 4:55:48 GMT -8
who pitched for turlock....give some details.....losing to a small school isnt a good sign Mark, I think this is a case of any given team on any given day can when. Turlock is deep and will do well this year.
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Post by Mark on Apr 9, 2010 9:49:15 GMT -8
well i guess i am going to have to go check out a few games....because what i am hearing from neutral people outside of turlock is the opposite..that they will do good....but question on the depth and a playoff push
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2010 9:53:18 GMT -8
I think your being kind Randy.
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Post by crash23 on Apr 9, 2010 16:08:25 GMT -8
Kramer getting tossed didn't help but Turlock still had enough to beat Escalon without him. Escalon has four good hitters and the pitcher was above average. My concern was how the Bulldogs responded to the early departure of Kevin, they need to show people and themselves they can win without a key player. I can play armchair quarterback all day but I won't blame the coaches for the decision to not throw Vince today (even though I would have). My only regret is that the coaching staff did very little to believe in the team on the field. I would have gone apesh!t when you have the tying run at the plate and a ball is hit out of play and caught for the final out. Coach D merely went to the umpire and shook his hand.....class act...yes. But for crying out loud that was a horsesh!t call and the players might respond the next time out knowing their coach has their back and would at least question a bad call. They seemed to have given up when Kevin got tossed and that is where a different approach from D would have righted the ship. They have five coaches in the dugout, next time I would like to see one of them "sack up" and fight for their team. This team needs to learn to balance adversity a little better and know that showing a little emotion in a positive way is not always a bad thing. I'm not chanting "Ampipe" yet but I can only keep Jim Flood on a leash for so long! I think you responded in the heat of the moment, but now having heard all the facts, I think Coach D handled it the right way. Had Kevin continued to the dugout and never turned around (and said something) he'd not have got tossed. I think he learned a lesson and will tell you that. I think he'd also tell you he was wrong. D diffused a volatile situation. Standing up in this instance would have condoned what happened and enabled other players to behave the same down the road. He sent a clear message that what happened is not acceptable and that Kevin and the Dogs are better than that. Showing up the umpire is not going to be helpful to any player's career and Kevin has a long one in front of him. Umps are going to make mistakes, it's part of the game. He, or any other player, does not want to develop a bad rep with umps. I think the Dogs responded just fine. They did not wilt and went on to score and rally after Kevin was ejected. They put themselves in a situation where they could come back (and possibly tie the game with one swing). Lesser teams would have let the game go south but the boys kept battling back and never gave up. Of course the offense is more potent with Kevin in the line-up, but I thought they battled as was evidenced again in the Enochs game. As for the ball that "went out of bounds" I was well beyond first base on the foul line taking pictures and the kid was only about 40 yards from me when he caught it. He was clearly in play. Had there been one out or less I'd have argued for a catch and carry, but we had two so the rule doesn't apply (if there is one in high school baseball). Two swings (that totaled 4 runs) and a lack of timely hitting on our end cost us the game. The pitches the kid hit out were actually pretty good, but he is a low ball, fastball hitter. On anyone else I think those are good pitches, esp. the second one. With travel ball, many of these hitters weaknesses, as well as strengths, are known. More so than before the days of TB. Several of the Escalon and Turlock players are teammates in summer, so it should be no surprise as to how to pitch them... Hopefully the coaches are taking advantage of their players' knowledge.
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Post by trevor9 on Apr 9, 2010 16:31:06 GMT -8
WOW! You just went from "Dumb Azz" to "Kiss Azz". I stand by my first take on the game.......they played with no sense of urgency or emotion. If I did not beleive this team had the talent to win it all I wouldn't care. Forget about ejections, what if say Flood or Herrerra (God forbid) were to get injured......do we throw in the towel? No, someone needs to step up and that is where "D" needs to emphasize to the team that 1 through 9 can get the job done. Maybe taking more than 4 cuts in b.p. every other day and penning 3 or 4 different kids once or twice a week might help. Argue with that, since I believe it was you who stated your concerns weeks ago about them not hitting enough or penning the pitchers. None of this matters because they will probably run the table in the CCC but I would hate to see them get into the playoffs and fall apart. BTW- You must be blind as well, that ball was foul by 3 feet. Maybe your camera obstructed your view.....you looked like Wang from Caddyshack.
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Post by crash23 on Apr 9, 2010 20:22:28 GMT -8
Yeah foul... but not out of play.
I still stand by what I saw, this is not a rah-rah team. They just do their business without the cheerleader mentality. I would not want them to be like Davis. Lotta noise - but our boys got it done. Just b/c players don't show emotion doesn't mean they don't want to win. Being loud doesn't equate to being good. Give me a team of Jeters over Dykstras any day. Lenny was a comet, Jeter a star. These boys have a track record of success without pom-poms. They can't be something they're not - but they are winners.
Yeah, a lot of BP and regular pens has been a great formula for success. At this level the teams with the best pitching and hitting usually wins. Every team hits a bump in the road, ours was Escalon. Live, learn & move on... to win another day.
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2010 20:41:40 GMT -8
Both of you could win with a team full of Jeters or Dykstras. Just don't save your ace to kiss his sister while others are playing in the game that matters.
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Post by Mark on Apr 9, 2010 20:55:28 GMT -8
ya, im going to have to agree with Chris on this....and thats rare........
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Post by Chris on Apr 9, 2010 21:26:13 GMT -8
Yeah - you have no idea how rare. As a matter of fact, I am going to print this and stick it on my mantle.
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Post by trevor9 on Apr 10, 2010 16:17:18 GMT -8
Crash, you got me......It was OUT OF PLAY not foul. BTW-You are still a toad who can't see sh!t.
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Post by trevor9 on Apr 10, 2010 16:35:54 GMT -8
I don't need to see them out there with skirts and pom pom's either. There is a difference between a kid wanting to hit with the game on the line and a kid wondering if the snack bar is still gonna have hot dogs after the game. I get annoyed with the chatterbox b.s. Davis has become famous for and I'm o.k. with cricketts coming from Turlock's dugout but don't walk on and off the field with your head hanging in the third inning. I still live by the motto,"Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser" you on the other hand go with, "Win or lose, we will still go to Hooter's".
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